"Ferrell Till Exposed– A Response to Till's Take on Prophecy."
By Firebranded
a Response to:"PROPHECIES: IMAGINARY AND UNFULFILLED"
by Farrell Till.
Prophecy fulfillment is a popular argument that bibliolaters rely on in
trying to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. They claim that the
Bible is filled with recorded events that prophets foretold years and even
centuries before they happened. They argue that there is no way to explain
how these predictions could have been so accurately made except to conclude
that the Holy Spirit enabled the prophets who uttered them to see into the
future. In prophecy fulfillment, then, they see evidence of God's direct
involvement in the writing of the Bible.
"A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing
the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed
in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to
predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who
witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old
Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable
premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamuses and Edgar
Cayces of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely
inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets
can sometimes accurately predict the future."
While Mr.Till's opening paragraph represents a fairly apt summary of ONE
argument used by proponents of the bible's divine origin, his second
paragraph veers wide of the mark in its representation of his opponents
position. It is, in fact, a borderline misrepresentation. While it is true
that biblical proponents (hereinafter referred to as believers) recognize
the existence of predictive capabilities outside the range of the "Divine",
it is not true, nor a fair representation of the believers position, that
all such predictions fall into only TWO catagories: the Divine or a unique
personal quality of an individual. It is a widely held and commonly known
fact that believers subscribe to a "SUPERNATURAL" origin for all such
accurate predictions, but not all supernaturally originated predictions are
DIVINE, some having their origin in the DIABOLICAL, which is as much a
supernatural causative as the divine. Let us just say that Mr. Till has been
caught attempting to limit the supernatural to those phenomena that can only
be attributed to the DIVINE. As we can see in the next paragraph, a LITERAL
reading of the very text he has chosen to support his surrepticiousness,
actually exposes the misrepresentation.
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he
gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder comes to pass, of which
he spoke to you, saying, `Let us go after other gods'--which you have not
known--`and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that
prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for Yahweh your God is testing you to
know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your
soul" (Deut. 13:1-3, NKJV with Yahweh substituted for "the LORD.
"By the Bible's own testimony, then,[b] natural psychic ability[/b] could
offer a perfectly sensible explanation for any example of prophecy that
bibliolaters might cite in support of the inerrancy doctrine, but an
unbiased contextual examination of the alleged prophecy will very likely
uncover an even more rational explanation. Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn
out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily
declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged
fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously
biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments."
It should be clear to even the most casual observer that the prophet or
dreamer of dreams in this text, having seen his prediction fulfilled is
ascribing both its origination and fulfillment to "other gods which you have
not known" and not, as Mr. Till would have us believe, "NATURAL PSYCHIC
ABILITY". In fact, the text goes on to ascribe the success of these
phenomena to Yahweh as a test. So Mr. Till's first argument turns out to be
a disingenious misrepresentation of his opponents position, a cleverly
concocted strawman that leaves us wondering if Mr. Till isn't actually
utilizing the very kind of imaginative artifices to support his position he
accuses biblical writers of. Apparently the "UN" in Mr. Till's unbiased
contextual examination does not extend far enough to include even the
simplest and most commonly held contextual positions of his opponents. I
dare say, as we continue our examination of Mr.Till's unbiased contextual
examination, we shall have to decide for ourselves just how unbiased it
really is.
NONPROPHECIES
"Later, I will examine several examples of these "imaginary prophecies," but
a more logical place to begin examination of the prophecy-fulfillment
argument would be with what, for lack of a better term, I will call
"nonprophecies." These involve those cases where, although alleged
prophecies were quoted or referred to by New Testament writers, Bible
scholars have been unable to find the original statement. An example is
found in John 7:38 where Jesus said, "He who believes in Me, as the
Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." If
Jesus was right in saying that scripture said this, just where was it said?
No such statement in the Old Testament scriptures has ever been located, yet
"the scripture" to Jesus would certainly have been the Old Testament. In
this statement, then, we apparently have a fulfillment that was a
fulfillment of--what? How could there be a fulfillment of a prophecy that
was never even made?
Oh my...If this is an example of unbiased CONTEXTUAL examination I'm
afraid we're in for a long haul. Indeed, where is there, in John 7:38, any
reference to a prophecy fulfilled? Jesus is making a declaration of His
divinity and not, as Mr. Till would have us believe, making a reference to
any prophetic text. The text from which Jesus has constructed this allegory
are these:
Jeremiah 2:13 "For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me
[b]the fountain of living waters,[/b] and hewed them out cisterns, broken
cisterns, that can hold no water."
Jeremiah 17:13 "O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be
ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because
they have forsaken the LORD,[b] the fountain of living waters."[/b]
Now if proper context and unbiased examination were truly Mr. Till's
objective he would surely have noticed the very next verse:
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him
should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was
not yet glorified.)
So, in fact, we do have a prophecy being GIVEN here and not one being
returned as fulfilled. Mr Till's "imagined prophecy" conspiracy, another
GROSS contextual mangling, so exposes his obvious slant and extremely BIASED
approach until he appears quite willing to sacrifice his credibility to
secure an early victory. The further assumption that every word Christ spoke
when referencing scripture must be verbatim to warrant the proper context is
so absurd as to be hardly worth mentioning yet, here it is, a smoking gun in
Mr. Till's arsenal of unbiased criticisms.
It is noteworthy to further mention that the context of John chapter 7, (if
any unbiased person wishes to read the entire chapter for a more accurate
contextual application) fits very nicely in the theme of Jeremiah's
lamentation of the people who had FORSAKEN the Lord. The very first verse in
John 7 leads us directly to a reasonable and accurate context that is far
different than Mr. Till's imagination would have us believe:
John 7:1 ¶After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk
in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
I think it safe to conclude that a people who seek to kill you have, as
Jeremiah so elequently stated, FORSAKEN you.
So the very first two examples of Mr. Till's "unbiased contextual
examination" have proven to be extremely biased and so out of context that
even a man like myself, who hasn't even a high school diploma, has picked
out the fact from the fiction. Let us hope the Sec Web has more to offer in
the way of scholarly examination of these questions and that Mr. Morgan has
better references with which to link us for an unbiased and contextual
examination of this very good question on the validity of prophecy in the
argument for divine origination.